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Expelled the same day: Ireland hardens illegal immigration response
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useapen
2024-12-01 10:53:35 UTC
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The three Gardai - Irish police officers - walk down the rows of
passengers on the bus, a few kilometres south of the border with Northern
Ireland.

Observing this is the head of the Garda National Immigration Bureau, Det
Ch Supt Aidan Minnock.

“If they don't have status to be in Ireland, we bring them to Dublin,” he
explains. “They're removed on a ferry back to the UK on the same day.”

Asylum applications in Ireland have risen by nearly 300% so far this year
compared to the same period five years ago. A spike in arrivals from the
UK has been driven by various factors, among these the UK’s tougher stance
post-Brexit, including the fear of deportations to Rwanda, as well as
Ireland’s relatively healthy economy.

Most asylum seekers coming from the UK to the Republic of Ireland enter
the country from Northern Ireland, as - unlike the airport or ferry routes
- there is no passport control. The Garda checks along the 500km-long (310
miles) border are the only means of stopping illegal entry.

Det Ch Supt Minnock told the BBC that 200 people had been returned to the
UK this year as a result of these checkpoints, thought to be only a small
fraction of those crossing the porous border illegally.

More than 2,000 people who arrived in Ireland illegally have been issued
deportation orders so far this year, a 156% increase on the same period in
2023. However, only 129 of those people (just over 6%) are confirmed to
have since left the state. The government has said it will begin chartered
deportation flights in the coming months, and free up more immigration
Gardai from desk work.

Onboard the coach near the border, the Gardai question a young man about
where he lives. He is Algerian - a student, he says. The police are
suspicious and he is taken to the detention vehicle while his identity is
checked.

A veteran of war crimes investigations in post-war Bosnia - as part of an
EU police team - Det Ch Supt Minnock knows well the violence and poverty
that drives migration.

“This is growing at such a scale because of the conflict and instability
right across the world,” he says.

Public concern over immigration is closely linked to Ireland’s chronic
housing problem. The Republic now has the worst record in the EU for
housing young people.

The CEO of the Irish Refugee Council, Nick Henderson, says the crisis is a
“perfect storm”, created in part by the failure to build enough housing
stock over decades, and a government unprepared for the upsurge in asylum
seekers - known in Ireland as International Protection Applicants (IPAs) -
needing help with accommodation.

“[The government] is only able to provide accommodation through private
contractors. That, coupled with an increase in the number of people
seeking protection in Ireland, and against the background of a housing
crisis has meant, in effect, that Ireland's asylum reception system has
really collapsed.”

In nearly three years, the number of asylum seekers accommodated by the
state’s International Protection Accommodation Services (IPAS) has more
than quadrupled - from 7,244 to 32,649 people. Over 100,000 Ukrainians,
who were given a separate status, also sought refuge in Ireland during
that time.

Tens of thousands of international protection applicants - some already
with asylum status in Ireland, others waiting to be processed - have been
sent to communities around the country, accommodated in hotels, former
schools, apartments, even large tented camps.

Ireland’s housing shortage means that even those granted asylum are
struggling to leave the temporary system as others arrive. Nearly 1,000
people are now living in tented accommodation.

This makeshift response has generated resentment. In the village of
Dundrum, County Tipperary - population 221 - a group of locals attempted
to block the arrival of asylum seekers at the gates of a former hotel in
August. The proposal to house up to 277 people at Dundrum House, which
hasn’t operated as a hotel since 2015, would double the local population.
Locals worry that it will be a permanent fixture.

“How can our government not engage properly with us?” asks Andrea Crowe, a
local teacher and protester who has frequently spoken in public. She cites
concerns over housing, health and education provision for the community.

Since July, there has been a 24-hour protest outside the hotel. Ms Crowe,
whose family once owned the Dundrum House hotel, accuses the government of
failing to consult with the community - a common complaint around the
country.

“How can we not be concerned?” she says.

The IPAS community currently living at Dundrum House is made up of about
80 women and children. There is also a separate group of Ukrainian
families, welcomed after the Russian invasion in February 2022.

Several locals told us they feared that single men - who make up 35% of
asylum seekers arriving in Ireland so far this year - would eventually
replace the women and children, although there so far is no evidence to
suggest this is planned in Dundrum.

Local builder, Martin Barry, cites the housing crisis as a key reason for
his protest, particularly the plight of his eldest son. “My own young
fella, he can't afford a place to rent,” he says.

But Martin Barry also speaks to deeper fears of change in some rural
communities. The dance hall where he met his wife has closed. The local
pub is for sale. There were hopes Dundrum House would be reopened and used
by the local community.

“It’s just the worry of what's coming down the line,” he says.

We meet two South African women given refuge at Dundrum House. Both were
sent from their accommodation in Dublin - 180km (110 miles) away - to make
way for newer arrivals into the capital, some of whom were sleeping in
tents on the streets.

The women ask to remain anonymous. “Lerato” had been in Dublin for a year.
“I had integrated with society, and made friends. My child was attending
school and I was comfortable.” Her friend “Kayla” speaks of being isolated
in Dundrum, a farming community with limited transport amenities.

Far-right parties show scant support in opinion polls. Immigration worries
are likely to be expressed in support for independent candidates. But
online, far-right agitators stoke fear. There have been violent riots and
arson attacks on sites meant to house, or rumoured to house, asylum
seekers, and refugees have been attacked in their tents on Dublin’s
streets.

A common conspiracy theory is that migrants are being “planted” in Ireland
as part of a plot to dominate Irish people and destroy their culture.

We saw two posters referring to a “plantation” at the Dundrum House
protest. The now-closed online GoFundMe Page for Dundrum referred to
Ireland’s “indigenous” population fighting “for our very existence” and
the government “flooding communities with asylum seekers”.

The page - which raised more than €3,000 (£2,500) - was set up by a local
businessman. He turns out to have posted antisemitic, Islamophobic and
anti-vaccine conspiracist material on social media.

We ask Andrea Crowe, one of the prominent voices of the Dundrum protest,
if she is comfortable with such a person being involved? Ms Crowe says she
does not “follow social media much” and it is not up to her to manage
other people’s reactions. But she says she’s “not comfortable with it”.

Others in County Tipperary welcome asylum seekers. Some 17 groups came
together under the slogan “Tipperary Welcomes” after the Dundrum protest
began.

John Browne, a member of the community council, says the issue divides
people. “I don’t have a problem with it because we're relatively wealthy,
and the situation is pretty bad in parts of Africa and where most of these
people are coming from.”

But he disagrees strongly with the numbers involved in small places like
Dundrum. “It imbalances the community. And it's no good for the people
coming in, because there's nothing here for them.”

We caught up with Ireland’s Minister for Integration, Roderic O’Gorman,
while he was campaigning in Dublin for the General Election, due to be
held on 29 November. He now canvasses votes with two police guards after
being assaulted by a man protesting against immigration.

Mr O’Connor says many areas welcome asylum seekers.

“There are communities all over the place who are actually embracing and
supporting,” he says.

But he accepts some failures. “I recognise in the initial parts of our
response, there were times where there wasn't that level of engagement
that we need,” he says.

There are now Community Engagement Teams responsible for liaising with
residents, although the protesters we spoke to in Dundrum say they have
had only one meeting with a team and are still no wiser about the long-
term plans for the hotel.

Official policy is hardening. Ukrainian asylum seekers who arrived amid
widespread public sympathy and were given special benefits, recently saw
these slashed from €232 (£190) to €38.80 (£32) per week - a cut of 83%.

South Africans now need visas to enter the country. A visa loophole which
allowed Jordanians - at one point the largest group of asylum seekers in
Ireland - to enter from the UK has been closed.

Concern over immigration has so far not translated into electoral support
for far-right parties. Nick Henderson at the Refugee Council believes this
need not be inevitable in Ireland. “Communities want to welcome people,
but they need resources. They need communication.”

The Republic’s image as a stable and progressive democracy won’t change in
this electoral cycle. But the rise in far-right populism internationally
is a warning for the future – of how concern over immigration can be made
a focus for other discontents and create turbulent politics.

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Siri Cruise
2024-12-01 17:15:24 UTC
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Onboard the coach near the border, the Gardai question a young man about
where he lives. He is Algerian - a student, he says. The police are
suspicious and he is taken to the detention vehicle while his identity is
checked.
How does detention without trial not violate the Constitution's
Bill of Rights?
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max headroom
2024-12-01 18:21:07 UTC
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Post by useapen
Onboard the coach near the border, the Gardai question a young man about
where he lives. He is Algerian - a student, he says. The police are
suspicious and he is taken to the detention vehicle while his identity is
checked.
How does detention without trial not violate the Constitution's
Bill of Rights?
Does the Irish constitution have a bill of rights?

Does the American?

"One of the most disturbing scandals of the Hunter Biden saga is the
imprisonment without trial of former FBI informant Alexander Smirnov.

"The Ukrainian-born Israeli-American, who once told his FBI handler about
Ukrainian claims of a $10 million bribe to the Bidens, has been languishing in a
Los Angeles prison for nine months on charges that he lied to the FBI...."

https://nypost.com/2024/11/27/opinion/the-fbi-and-dojs-politically-motivated-persecution-of-a-former-informant-all-to-protect-the-bidens/
Siri Cruise
2024-12-01 20:28:33 UTC
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Post by useapen
Onboard the coach near the border, the Gardai question a young man about
where he lives. He is Algerian - a student, he says. The police are
suspicious and he is taken to the detention vehicle while his identity is
checked.
How does detention without trial not violate the Constitution's
Bill of Rights?
Does the Irish constitution have a bill of rights?
Maybe it is illegal for American police to do what Irish do.
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max headroom
2024-12-02 16:54:03 UTC
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Post by useapen
Onboard the coach near the border, the Gardai question a young man about
where he lives. He is Algerian - a student, he says. The police are
suspicious and he is taken to the detention vehicle while his identity is
checked.
How does detention without trial not violate the Constitution's
Bill of Rights?
Does the Irish constitution have a bill of rights?
Apparebtly your attention span ended at this point.
Post by Siri Cruise
Maybe it is illegal for American police to do what Irish do.
Maybe the higher authorities don't care about the Bill of Rights.

"One of the most disturbing scandals of the Hunter Biden saga is the
imprisonment without trial of former FBI informant Alexander Smirnov.

"The Ukrainian-born Israeli-American, who once told his FBI handler about
Ukrainian claims of a $10 million bribe to the Bidens, has been languishing in a
Los Angeles prison for nine months on charges that he lied to the FBI...."

https://nypost.com/2024/11/27/opinion/the-fbi-and-dojs-politically-motivated-persecution-of-a-former-informant-all-to-protect-the-bidens/
Niocláiſín Cóilín de Ġloſtéir
2024-12-06 01:16:11 UTC
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(Eternal September does not recognize sac.politics.)
[. . .]
Post by max headroom
Post by Siri Cruise
How does detention without trial not violate the Constitution's
Bill of Rights?
Does the Irish constitution have a bill of rights?
Maybe it is illegal for American police to do what Irish do."

"Convention for the Protection
of Human Rights
and Fundamental Freedoms
Rome, 4.XI.1950
[. . .]
ARTICLE 14
Prohibition of discrimination
The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this
Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground
such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other
opinion, national or social origin, association with a national
minority, property, birth or other status.
[. . .]
Protocol No. 4
to the Convention
for the Protection of Human Rights
and Fundamental Freedoms
securing certain rights and freedoms
other than those already included
in the Convention
and in the First Protocol thereto
Strasbourg, 16.IX.1963
[. . .]
ARTICLE 4
Prohibition of collective expulsion of aliens
Collective expulsion of aliens is prohibited.
[. . .]
Protocol No. 7
to the Convention
for the Protection of Human Rights
and Fundamental Freedoms
Strasbourg, 22.XI.1984
[. . .]
ARTICLE 1
Procedural safeguards relating to expulsion of aliens
1. An alien lawfully resident in the territory of a State shall not
be expelled therefrom except in pursuance of a decision reached
in accordance with law and shall be allowed:
(a) to submit reasons against his expulsion,
(b) to have his case reviewed, and
(c) to be represented for these purposes before the competent
authority or a person or persons designated by that
authority.
2. An alien may be expelled before the exercise of his rights
under paragraph 1.(a), (b) and (c) of this Article, when such
expulsion is necessary in the interests of public order or is
grounded on reasons of national security.
[. . .]
Protocol No. 12
to the Convention
for the Protection of Human Rights
and Fundamental Freedoms
Rome, 4.XI.2000
[. . .]
ARTICLE 1
General prohibition of discrimination
1. The enjoyment of any right set forth by law shall be secured
without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour,
language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social
origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or
other status.
2. No one shall be discriminated against by any public authority
on any ground such as those mentioned in paragraph 1."
says
HTTPS://WWW.ECHR.COE.int/documents/d/echr/convention_eng

Contact details for an Irish immigration-law firm are:
46 Parnell Square West, Dublin 1, Ireland
and
Telephone: 01 8734201.

I wish good luck to refugees!

Is mise le meas,
Niocláiſín Cóilín de Ġloſtéir

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