Post by David HOn Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:58:29 +0100, "michael adams"
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Post by David HPost by michael adamsThere's no real authenticated audit trail in other words.
http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ExternalRequest.asp?RequestReference=ri2069
Excerpts from his diaries were being circulated during summer 1916.
They became totally irrelevant to the Brits in practice by 1918.
What's your date for the extensive, masterful, future proof
forging effort?
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So why did the British Home Office retain the Diaries, and
even deny their very existence for a time?
According to the BBC website anyway.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/society_culture/protest_reform/casement_01.sht
ml
After Casement's death the diaries were retained by the Home
Office and held in conditions of extraordinary secrecy, which
only added to the atmosphere of mistrust.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/society_culture/protest_reform/casement_03.sht
ml
1916 headline about Casement's capture Casement's first biographer,
Denis Gwynn, was frustrated in his efforts to investigate the issue.
The Home Office refused to confirm that the diaries even existed.
And then from your source
http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ExternalRequest.asp?RequestReference=ri2069
<quote>
The Metropolitan Police acquired the diaries from Casement's
former lodgings.
[Obviously! So they must be genuine! They never even invented the
idea of fabricating evidence until much later than 1916. ]
They were passed to the Home Office in 1925.
[So where were they, for the intervening 9 years ? And why the
decision to move them.]
They were transferred to the Public Record Office in 1959
and made publicly available in 1994
</quote>
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Post by David HPost by michael adamsNo David we only argue about the "meaning" after we've
established the authenticity of the text.
"RDE explains how the Irish version was first published in the
Dec 1909 edition of Macoaoh and thus gives attributions for
that."
That was years before the Easter Rising. Are you suggesting
that the Brits have been mis-translating it again and again ever
since?
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No David. It only need ever have been mistranslated the once.
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Post by David HPost by michael adamsAre you definitly stating that the poem was originally
published in this precise form ?
Well, you can start here, if you don't like the quoted version
http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E950004-009/
It wasn't all done in the dark ages. People kept records
in the early years of the century too.
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I suggest you read your own references David
<quote>
Background details and bibliographic information
The edition used in the digital edition.
Pádraic Pearse Little Lad of the Tricks in Plays Stories Poems
Dublin, Talbot Press, (1966) PAGES 316-317
</quote>
This is simply a scan of the Talbot Press edition
of 1966. No further information is given as to
the source of the text used in that edition
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Post by David HPost by michael adamsWhere exactly ? Do you have a reference please ?
Or are you merely supposing that a poem of this Title was
published somewhere, sometime prior to 1916, er you're not
quite sure where, or when, but er, .....that's it ?
Whereas you reckon it never happened?
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No.
But you're the one who appears certain of the authenticity
of this particular version.
I just wonder how that can be, that's all.
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Post by David HPost by michael adamsNice to see all the "experts" being drawn into the
debate, anyway.
It's time to go, Michael. Come back when you have
changed your name. You're finished here for now...
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What, and leave you free to concentrate on the easier targets ?
Forever taking the rise out of poor old Ray?
Oh yes, of course you'd rather I wasn't around.
You'd much rather not have difficult customers like me asking you
all these awkward questions. Wouldn't you eh David?
Just like your new best friend.
Middle Aged and Clearly Not Nearly as Wise As He Thinks He Is Man
A drowning rat, scurrying from one sinking ship to another!
He can smell failure from a mile away.
You're finished David, and this is the final confirmation.
michael adams
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